Petition question, mt lions

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How realistic is it to get a mt. Lion hunt put on the ballot, how many signatures would be needed and who do you think might get behind the idea with money to promote it? Maybe it would be straight grassroots but with deer numbers down and encounters up I think some strategic adds with victims could be big influences.
Any of you legally minded guys have any input?
 

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Its very expensive - millions of $$. How big of a constituency would such a measure have? Even when there is a problem, most non-hunters are more comfortable with paid professionals and DFG taking out individual problem animals.

SCI would be the natural backer, but I suspect they doubt they could pull it off. Better to work on overturning the ban on bringing back meat/pelts, etc from cats legally taken in other states. You might win that one in court, but so far nobody wants to be the victim with standing to sue.

Maybe Hatchet will volunteer to take one for the team :)
 

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man if i had the time ..cash..and blood pressure to take it on i would!!! but for now..i just have to look at this angry beyotch on video and blown up pics in my office...chicken shat law and state for sure... i'll say it again..by far the best most physical and mentally challenging/rewarding hunt ive even been a part of in my life..and ive been on 1 or 2..if you guys ever wanna step it up 99 notches and go in with your hair on fire and balls sucked into your inquinal canals......chase a lion sometime and get point blank..what a freakin rush!!!!!
 

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..... my personal favorite of the bighorn killer....what a rush....the old lady was more intersted in the hounds than she was in me at 5 yds...thanks for bringing back memory lane..thought id share to those who missed this hunt....i belive its relevant to those who wanna have a chance at hunting these critters in the future...i guess shooting a duck though thats coming into land on a shat paddy for breakfast could be just as exhilarating....
 

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You mean to tell me that we can't even bring a pelt or meat back here if we shoot one out of state?
I was just complaining to my wife, she said we need to stop whining and unite "like the gays do". They're a small group of people that makes a lot of noise and gets results. LOL but I agree, we need to unite like the.... I'm stopping there!

Someone point me in the right direction and I'll sue to pull that law and fight it by myself, I don't need no stinking lawyer, that's just common friggin sense!
 

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you are correct sir....allthough nobody has ever challenged it to my knowledge... and allthough i am not"gay" {well..sort of}..id be willing to join in the repealing of the lion ban law.. sci= safari club international
 

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Safari Club International,Scratching my head on the Gay deal,what would you call it?Maybe a tee shirt thats says,in pussy of course,Please Don't Eat My A$$ I Have A Partner..................Upper
 

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and in true classic upper form!! dude.. i would buy 1 of those shirts and wear it proudly!!! idea???
 

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and in true classic upper form!! dude.. i would buy 1 of those shirts and wear it proudly!!! idea???
You Know Hatch,Maybe you are one of the few Hetero's that could wear one of those..........Upper

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dude,,i was thinking of going into the pictorial...but you just helped me make up my mind..prolly not a good idea :4milri9_th:
 

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First we need someone with a out-of-state lion to get busted at the state line and then fight it.

My understanding is that SCI has, in the past, notified DFG that they were coming in with lion parts and told them when and where, and were never checked.

DFG knows that it would lose so choses not to fight it. It is a not enforceable. After that is overturned then it would take years of grass-roots working to get the tides turned so that lions were to be managed by the hunters instead of paid "professionals". However, given that hunting pigs and bears with dogs is on the verge of being gone forever in CA you are really just pissin in the wind...
 

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another link. not only is it banned, but it requires the state pay $30MM/year... this really is wrong. rather than generate money we're going to spend more. stupid freaking suckramento pukes!!!!! i'm so stinking pissed right now i want to hit something!!!!!

http://www.mountainlion.org/prop117guide.asp
 

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another link. not only is it banned, but it requires the state pay $30MM/year... this really is wrong. rather than generate money we're going to spend more. stupid freaking suckramento pukes!!!!! i'm so stinking pissed right now i want to hit something!!!!!

http://www.mountainl...rop117guide.asp
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First we need someone with a out-of-state lion to get busted at the state line and then fight it.

My understanding is that SCI has, in the past, notified DFG that they were coming in with lion parts and told them when and where, and were never checked.

DFG knows that it would lose so choses not to fight it. It is a not enforceable. After that is overturned then it would take years of grass-roots working to get the tides turned so that lions were to be managed by the hunters instead of paid "professionals". However, given that hunting pigs and bears with dogs is on the verge of being gone forever in CA you are really just pissin in the wind...

I think that story is apocryphal. I first heard it at SCI right after the ban. It was always a vague rumor with no first-person accounts or names. Besides, plenty of people at DFG were pissed off at having management of the species stripped from them by a ballot initiative. I think they probably would have been willing to show up and make the citation or arrest. I think its more likely nobody in their right mind, especially a hunter, wanted to risk becoming a felon. (that's why I recommended Hatchet :) )

The ban was enacted as a constitutional amendment via a ballot initiative so, it can't be challenged in CA courts. It would take passing another amendment repealing the ML ban or a 2/3 (3/4?) majority vote of the legislature and the Governor's signature to overturn it. I have been told that the import ban might be vulnerable in federal court, but who knows?

BTW, I don't think pigs are covered under the pending bill. Just cats and bears. Pigs didn't meet the cute-n-cuddly threshhold, but still, whenever they become a problem for the public, the bureaucracy or some conservancy, hunters are never allowed to be part of the solution. Apparently its moral to be paid to kill and maim animals with marginal weapons from helicopters and leave them to die and rot in the field, but if you are willing to hunt them fair chase for free (or pay for the privilege) because you enjoy the hunt and the meat, you're an immoral SOB.
 

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back in the day before owning kids and houses..id of done it in a heart beat... im not as staunchey as i use to be..as i get older..i pick my battles abit more level headed...besides...i have homes in new mexico and washington st. that have cats in thier trophy rooms...a man can only have so much pussy....{did i just say that??] yep..i did..
 

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Contrary to the bs usually passed around, yes the law can be repealed. Way back in your grandpa's time they passed a constitutional amendment banning alcohol. But you guys aren't doing without beer now, are you?

It can be done but the masses have to want it. That means until those cute sweet 'endangered' kitties eat some kids it ain't gonna happen. But when it does, and everyone and their brother will be trying to cover it up "oh, that wasn't a lion, those pieces can't be a child", when someone can hold up a tennis shoe with a little foot in it to the TV cameras then mountain lion protection will be over.
 

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back in the day before owning kids and houses..id of done it in a heart beat... im not as staunchey as i use to be..as i get older..i pick my battles abit more level headed...besides...i have homes in new mexico and washington st. that have cats in thier trophy rooms...a man can only have so much pussy....{did i just say that??] yep..i did..
I would like to know if there is a "Too Much Pussy"chart published out there somewhere.You know kind of like a blood pressure chart or colesterol chart.Or maybe like a "Only Eat So Many Fish out of Mission Bay"chart........Upper
 
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