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So now that we can no longer shoot the ammunition we have stockpiled for years, I'm wondering what people are using for deer hunting this coming season. I know some of ya'll have already invested in non-lead while hunting the California Condor and was curious about results. Any noticeable difference in performance? I usually hunt with my Browning A-Bolt Hunter chambered in .300WSM but also have .308/.30-06. Any suggestions? Thanks much!
 

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Think if you look up threads started by me about this subject I covered the nagger well, but with a 7mm.

Basically purchased 5 different manf. Bullets and took the range. Some shot well and others didn’t.

Field tests with a few critters under the crap bullets show that blood trails are non existent. Make the shot count!
 

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JNDEER said:
Think if you look up threads started by me about this subject I covered the nagger well, but with a 7mm.
As PC as things are today I would be sweating bullets (copper of course) typing that sentence.

I’m rifle shopping right now and since I don’t reload I went over to the ammo counter just to check prices on different calibers. Then I made a few calls to outdoors stores in some of the areas I hunt to see what they regularly stock. If you hunt an oddball caliber you’re going to pay $55+ a box and if you leave your ammo at home don’t expect to pull into a small town gun shop and buy a box.
 

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Seems the copper patterns higher (1-1.5 in), definitely doesn't leave as big a hole; and not much blood so you better kill. Other than that you can get pretty much the same speed, with the Remington copper vs. Remington core-locks. Only 2 I've really tried
 

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How on earth it went from “it” to “the nagger” is beyond me, lol.... I covered it well- not the nagger.

And I wasn’t even texting and driving.

If a moderator could fix that- I would appreciate it!!!


I was shooting core lokt before and the copper was much much higher- but did group well along with the federal. For me and my Kmart rifle
 

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15 to 20 animals a year in CA..Not a fan of copper...finding myself having to actually do more work now..i hate copper.
 

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Reloading the last of my lead shot right now, the sad end of an era!
 

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I've used Barnes for years noe, and they are exceptional. Every animal I've shot with them has dropped in their tracks. The downside: my old Remington 700 gets overheated with just a few shots of solid copper. Modern barrels have no problem.
 

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socal duckie said:
15 to 20 animals a year in CA..Not a fan of copper...finding myself having to actually do more work now..i hate copper.
You reloading or buying OTC?
otc duckie..no reloading for this mammal shooter..no patients..usually whats ever rolling around on the floorboard gets stuffed into the weatherby..but to be fair..i have seen many critters go boom flop with copper..just gotta hit um in the throat..good night nurse!!!
 

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Hunt'EmUp said:
Seems the copper patterns higher (1-1.5 in), definitely doesn't leave as big a hole; and not much blood so you better kill. Other than that you can get pretty much the same speed, with the Remington copper vs. Remington core-locks. Only 2 I've really tried
So with what I'm reading here, this whole lead ban thing will make the enviros happy and the end result will actually be a lot more wounded big game running around in the woods. Then, the animal rights wackos will attack the hunter for unethical hunting and get an all-out hunting ban in Commufornia. I hate California!
 

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I like how they make you 'check' the box in licensing now...No way you can tell anyone you didn't know about the 'lead' ban! Someone was actually thinking on that one...However, I have a boat load of lead to target practice with... :smiley-w00t:
 

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Ike said:
I like how they make you 'check' the box in licensing now...No way you can tell anyone you didn't know about the 'lead' ban! Someone was actually thinking on that one...However, I have a boat load of lead to target practice with... :smiley-w00t:
Same here. I don't think I'll be hunting out of state any time soon as much as I'd like to. Finances too thin for that sort of thing.
 

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I have to agree to disagree on the copper bullet argument. I shoot a Ruger 06 it absolutely loves the barnes ttsx 150gr. Best patterns I ever got with that rifle. I agree the barrel does get hot much quicker and accuracy drops after 10 rounds. But so far results on critters has been exceptional. Cow elk 354 yards high in the neck nothing but skin holding that head on. Muley double lunged at 150 nothing but destruction inside no tracking required. Coyotes dropped on shot. Yeah I get it that round is smoking at 3,000fps. But speed kills with copper. But you have options with the bullet. Shoot the animal in the shoulder its going thru both sides. We got no choice so make the best of it. Shoot the fastest bullet that patterns in your rifle. In africa that is all the PH's hunt with any more for big antelope size game. They like to break bone and it does that and exits. No disrespect meant to anyone just trying to help the people trying to figure the copper pill out. In a nutshell it has been said many times over on every forum. Shoot a lighter bullet at higher speeds make your shot count the bullet will work. I shoot the barnes TTSX my buddy who hunts every where loves the federal copper. His last trip to africa they told him Monetary tips are not required. If you want to tip bring 150gr Barnes for there 06's. They can't get enough of them. There shooting the copper 06 at Kudu, wildebeast, and all other antelope species.
 

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Or just shoot everything in the throat(my favorite) and the whole copper vs. Lead debate becomes a moot point. KAPOOW!
 

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bearclaw said:
Tikka .270 loves the GMX, but Barnes supposedly can get better expansion with slightly lower speeds (i.e. further out yonder).
Been using those in my reloads for my Tikka 270. seems to do pretty well
 

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Spirit OTM said:
I have to agree to disagree on the copper bullet argument. I shoot a Ruger 06 it absolutely loves the barnes ttsx 150gr. Best patterns I ever got with that rifle. I agree the barrel does get hot much quicker and accuracy drops after 10 rounds. But so far results on critters has been exceptional. Cow elk 354 yards high in the neck nothing but skin holding that head on. Muley double lunged at 150 nothing but destruction inside no tracking required. Coyotes dropped on shot. Yeah I get it that round is smoking at 3,000fps. But speed kills with copper. But you have options with the bullet. Shoot the animal in the shoulder its going thru both sides. We got no choice so make the best of it. Shoot the fastest bullet that patterns in your rifle. In africa that is all the PH's hunt with any more for big antelope size game. They like to break bone and it does that and exits. No disrespect meant to anyone just trying to help the people trying to figure the copper pill out. In a nutshell it has been said many times over on every forum. Shoot a lighter bullet at higher speeds make your shot count the bullet will work. I shoot the barnes TTSX my buddy who hunts every where loves the federal copper. His last trip to africa they told him Monetary tips are not required. If you want to tip bring 150gr Barnes for there 06's. They can't get enough of them. There shooting the copper 06 at Kudu, wildebeast, and all other antelope species.
Well, I picked up some of that there Barnes. 165 grain for the .300WSM
 

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