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#16 paulc

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Fancy. What does it weigh empty?

You shopping for Zach?
No, I will never own another pack that does not have a scabbard.
Maybe if he didn't have a scabbard would do more shooting.
Shooting is for bird hunters. Never have had rifle in scabbard and a quality animal jump up in front of me. Doesn't work like that.

Oh yes it does!! ;)

 

Well maybe for you. :) 


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 11:51 PM

The EMR II has those two side-pockets for spotter and tripod. Part of why I bought it. As far as carrying your rifle, I already have their gun-bearer. I like the design. It's made such that you can draw your weapon quite easily and very naturally, with minimal movement. However... wearing that gun-bearer on what is my current back-pack (a used Badlands 2200 2008 model) puts a little bit of tugging weight on my hip-belt which doesn't seem to grab onto my hip crests as well as I think this one will do. So... it currently lends itself to make my pack slip-down over time while walking, and I have to be very careful about an old injury to my Saccrum/coccyx area. My body doesn't like anything putting pressure on that area. Also I'm looking forward to the rigidity of their frame holding the majority of the pack off my back so air can get in there. Which ultimately leads to better scent control since less profuse sweating in that area, I'd have to imagine.

I plan to use this pack whether it be day-trip or multi-day.  I'm not worried about the weight of it. Whatever it is, I desperately need the exercise anyway... so there ya go. 

I just like the idea that with this pack, I should only ever have to do just one trip out on a pack-out. (Might take a damn while, but at least I *should* be able to do it, space-wise/volume-wise.)  That 2nd trip back in last year to fetch the rest of my gear... and running across those 7 Mtn Lions gathered down at the bottom of the lil draw/ravine in that loop of the trail at last-light... with a bloody back-pack on... just really highlighted for me how much nicer it would have been to NOT have to go back in there a 2nd time.

Plus I just like how having all that space will give me options. Before I was needing to attach (Tripod Stool + Tent + Air Pad + Primos Ground-Blind + Tripod) all onto the outiside of that bag because of its more limited volume internally.

But more than all that... I don't feel the other bag carried the load well (for me) at all (and we'll see, part of that just may be my lack of experience in loading up a pack). Felt like the hip belt was continuously working it's way off my hip crests the whole way back. Constantly had to stop and do a heft-up  to adjust and lift the whole thing back up again and again. Found myself doing a lot of just leaning way far forward instead... to prevent the slide-down... but which in-turn... would cause the bottom of the pack to want to lay/press upon my area of injury on my tailbone. No Bueno.

Another feature I'm looking forward to is attaching the pocket bags on the belt. My current pack has pockets built into the belt, but they're smallish and limited in what they can carry. I always found myself wishing I could put more items in those to be at the ready.

And who knows... with the way these are built... hopefully this is something I can hand-down to my little guy in 10 yrs or so :)


Edited by TheGDog, 17 February 2017 - 11:52 PM.

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 12:06 AM

PS... personally I've found I like just carrying my weapon the whole way. I like that I can notice my arms got a little workout when I finally get back to the truck.  I like knowing that I'm always ready should I jump an animal out of its bed (definitely have jumped a few before, some close enough I could have thrown a rock at em!) Plus... most of the time I'm out there by myself... and I've lived long enough to realize... I know my luck (in other words.. a million and one men could hike thru that same patch of territory without incident... and I'll be that one freakin' unlucky bastard the universe laughs and decides it's going to mess with me today, just for sadistic fun.)


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:56 AM

... and running across those 7 Mtn Lions gathered down at the bottom of the lil draw/ravine in that loop of the trail at last-light... with a bloody back-pack on... just really highlighted for me how much nicer it would have been to NOT have to go back in there a 2nd time.


What if the lions are there on the first trip.... you're screwed.

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 07:18 AM

You carry a lot of extra stuff but to each their own

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 12:07 PM

As long as you like it, that is all that matters.  Cool pack for sure.


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 07:06 AM

Good luck on the solo single pack out too.

 

I have a MR crewcab that is great for light packing,scouting ,glassing & deer hunts but no way I would haul an elk in it.Maybe I'm still getting used to it and adjusting with weight in off season will help.

 

But I am going back to my Eberlestock J104 for hunting.The scabbard is worth it's weight in gold,IMHO.I use it for everything like Paul.Tripods,fishing rods and mostly a rifle on the way out so my hands are free for the poles or grabbing rocks.

I use a safari sling so my rifle is always right there when hunting. If I'm climbing I have to put it over my back.

Tried & used the hold on the side deals with other packs but a barrel sticking up does not work where I hunt.Maybe for a short stretch.And I do seem to just run into critters on the hunt and by the time I got the damn rifle free or off my shoulder even with a fancy quick dismount,too late.

The E-stock can carry more than I want & my camp. It fits me,is comfortable under load,quiet and has the scabbard. It weighs a bit more than the newer packs or the MR. But a load of meat & gear solo is doable,and not in one trip anymore.lol



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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:30 AM

Paul, is the scabbard because it fully frees up the hands?  I use the pack stays to throw the sling over so it can't fall off the shoulder.

 

Being short and having a scabbard hanging down below my hang downer just seems like a great way to bash the muzzle into the rocks and dirt.  I am good at falling down...


Give me a bow, a topo and two weeks and I guarantee I kill two weeks!

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 11:32 AM

Paul, is the scabbard because it fully frees up the hands?  I use the pack stays to throw the sling over so it can't fall off the shoulder.

 

Being short and having a scabbard hanging down below my hang downer just seems like a great way to bash the muzzle into the rocks and dirt.  I am good at falling down...

One of the reasons I love hunting with my son is that we are are on the same page (trust me we argue a lot also :) ).  What does this have to do with the scabbard you ask?  If I fool around with my stuff to much he gets frustrated with me because we are there to get something done and vice versa.    Playing with straps to hold a gun, having a sling over your shoulder when you are supposed to be glassing it is not a big deal, but, just another waste of time.  If your gun is over your shoulder you cant glass properly, so then you are setting it on the ground and just wasting more time. 

The scabbard is a big time saver.  Whether I shove my bog pod, my hiking sticks in it, or the rifle, it saves time messing around.  If the gun is in the pack, and I am using my poles, and we see something.  I may shove the sticks in there, leave the pack with Zach and take off with only my rifle or bow.  If there was a pack with one pocket and one strap I would buy it.  Back to the theory of I would rather fish than cut bait, and all the knick knacks to me take away from my focus.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 11:45 AM

Can't comment on the backpack, but saw this gun quick release backpack the other day and thought it would be the best of both worlds. Wonder if they plan on selling a scabbard that could be fitted to other bags.

 

Edit: Actually looks like Kuiu makes a similar system that's not as complicated... still cool though.

 


Edited by Fowl Play, 21 February 2017 - 11:52 AM.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 11:59 AM

 

Paul, is the scabbard because it fully frees up the hands?  I use the pack stays to throw the sling over so it can't fall off the shoulder.

 

Being short and having a scabbard hanging down below my hang downer just seems like a great way to bash the muzzle into the rocks and dirt.  I am good at falling down...

One of the reasons I love hunting with my son is that we are are on the same page (trust me we argue a lot also :) ).  What does this have to do with the scabbard you ask?  If I fool around with my stuff to much he gets frustrated with me because we are there to get something done and vice versa.    Playing with straps to hold a gun, having a sling over your shoulder when you are supposed to be glassing it is not a big deal, but, just another waste of time.  If your gun is over your shoulder you cant glass properly, so then you are setting it on the ground and just wasting more time. 

The scabbard is a big time saver.  Whether I shove my bog pod, my hiking sticks in it, or the rifle, it saves time messing around.  If the gun is in the pack, and I am using my poles, and we see something.  I may shove the sticks in there, leave the pack with Zach and take off with only my rifle or bow.  If there was a pack with one pocket and one strap I would buy it.  Back to the theory of I would rather fish than cut bait, and all the knick knacks to me take away from my focus.

 

 

Makes sense to me.  I feel pretty secure with the shoulder strap over the pack stay (I added aftermarket ones to my MR Crew Cab) and the KUIU has them as well, but to each their own.

 

I tried lashing my bow to my pack for years and always regretted it, but then again hiking through A zone is crappy regardless of how you do it...  


Give me a bow, a topo and two weeks and I guarantee I kill two weeks!

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 09:24 PM

So question... the previous two successful hunts I deboned and put into Alaskan Game Bags. 2015 was at end of light... so on hike back I put those bags into unscented plastic Garbage bags so pack wouldn't get bloody. 2016... it was morning... it was hot... so I just stuff the Alaskan Game bag into the pack and "oh well" the pack got bloody from all the dripping. I figured it would be bad to have the meat also inside a Garbage bag on that hot day.

Since this pack is bigger, so all the meat should be able to fit inside of the pack... even if it's a hot day... since it's inside the pack I could probably get away with putting the Alaskan Game Bags into a Garbage bag so the blood doesn't get all into the pack right? My thinking was the pack would help to partially insulate against the heat of the outside sun beating down on it.

Or are there better game bags which don't drip, but still allow some air in there?  How does everyone handle the blood dripping aspect of the packout?  I'm sure there are different answers out there among you all. Curious to learn.


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Posted 22 February 2017 - 04:03 AM

Meat will spoil in the heat in garbage bags if inside too long.

All packs, Kifaru included, can be washed and made good as new.

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 05:49 AM

NEVER put meat in plastic bags.  heat and moisture is what makes meat spoil.  You can get away with very very hot weather if meat is in game bags and alllowed to dry on outside.

 

I would be embarrassed to use a pack that did not have blood stains all over it.  And lots of blood stains.

 

Alaska Game bags are great.   If you are boning meat out pillow cases are better.  Then you just wash them and use again.  Key with meat even if 90 degrees out side is to get it off the animal and into bags.  Some time in shade and blowing dry in back of pickup. 


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Posted 22 February 2017 - 06:36 AM

Meat will spoil in the heat in garbage bags if inside too long.

All packs, Kifaru included, can be washed and made good as new.

 

 

NEVER put meat in plastic bags.  heat and moisture is what makes meat spoil.  You can get away with very very hot weather if meat is in game bags and alllowed to dry on outside.

 

I would be embarrassed to use a pack that did not have blood stains all over it.  And lots of blood stains.

 

Alaska Game bags are great.   If you are boning meat out pillow cases are better.  Then you just wash them and use again.  Key with meat even if 90 degrees out side is to get it off the animal and into bags.  Some time in shade and blowing dry in back of pickup. 

 

Coin Op car washes work great for cleaning packs...






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