Another tag for Zach to draw Options

[DKScott]

Desert Bighorns recommended for delisting in NM.

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I'm sure you can go along too Paul

[paulc]

Zach has told me already a bighorn is the only thing left in NM he has not killed. He is young and naive enough to believe he may draw one.
After getting the Ibex tag last year though, anything is possible. Very few bighorn tags in NM available.

[DEERSLAM]

I'm pullin for ya Zach!

[Coondog]

Zach has told me already a bighorn is the only thing left in NM he has not killed. He is young and naive enough to believe he may draw one.
After getting the Ibex tag last year though, anything is possible. Very few bighorn tags in NM available.

They draw 1 tag per year here in Texas.. In fact, they do not even list the success rate of the hunt each year. They say the data is not available at the time they print the apps... I am kind of like Zach, I put in each year anyways..

[JeremyR34]

Too bad we don't all have an extra $50,000 laying around to cruise down to Mexico and bust one there.

This post has been edited by JeremyR34: Jul 28 2010, 08:25 AM

[DKScott]

CA is up to 18-19 tags per year. Can someone explain to me the validity of a point system with so few tags?

Anyway, maybe NM will get a few more tags with delisting.

[tmoniz]

Scott.
Because the Sheep Herds in Ca are scattered and in specific regions. It's called careful management. They were on the brink and due to management applications are pretty much thriving in their natural ranges. The herds here need to be increased and healthy. Also it's a hunt that is in some very very tough terrain and only a few hunters are willing to try it.

If Zach draws that tag. He is going to look back on his hunting career when he is older and say to himself. "I did that."

Hope he gets it.

T$

[DKScott]

T,

I am not questioning the hunt, just the use of a prefference point system. Basically, the guys with max points are an inexhaustable supply of applicants for well past the remainder of our lifetimes, so anyone without max points is really betting that they will get the 1 or 2 tags that are random draws. Thus, there is no logic in the idea of trying to build points if you don't already have and maintain max points (8 pts this year, IIRC). You can make the same argument for elk, and especially bull elk. There are just not enough hunts offered in CA to justify the point system.

BTW, several of the herds are located in terrain that is not really that tough and thousands of hunters apply every year. I think I read something like 18k per year. You can see them in the MNP while chukar hunting. The White Mountains herd is said to be a pretty tough hunt due to terrain and elevation

[paulc]

White Mountains is one of the tougher ones. My Moms family mined talk in the White mountains. Beautiful country.

I see your point about building points. If you are not max points it would almost not be worth applying.

[tmoniz]

Paul I think the Orocopia and the Sheep Hole hunts are the toughest. I'll be in the Whites in about 1 week and yes it's a total SOB to hunt and even scout. I think the biggest Rams are in the Whites.

Scott I think that the point system was contrived so as to limited the number of Big Game taken so as to keep herds at reasonable levels. So we can by chance get an opportunity to at least see huntable game.

I used to hunt an area in Wyo where only 45 tags were offered. We always drew that tag. And then the point thing kicked in. We were not drawing. And have not since 2001. But we always drew it for 6 six years back to back.
So I started to look elsewhere. In other States.

What's interesting is that a person can have max points. But still goes up against several hundred other max point holders and does not draw. And then someone comes along with zero and draws in the random draw.
Go figure.

T$

[DKScott]

Thom, the tag quotas determine how many animals are taken. How those tags are allocated is irrelevant to game populations. The point system was designed create a sort of rank order among hunters with those that had been applying the longest getting the best chance. But when you have so feew tags and so many hunters who started year 1 that there is a long lifetime's supply of max points, what the net effect is that the "real" applicant pool is essentially restricted for a period longer than most adults' remaining hunting years, to applicants who started building points the first year and everyone else is SOL on a preference point draw. The odds are very poor even with max points, but with only a couple random tags they are rediculous. You have a better chance of winning enough in Vegas to finance an outfitted hunt somewhere where you can buy a tag.